tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5006663874099631371.post1474709532995959856..comments2023-04-23T00:17:28.060-07:00Comments on Fires never extinguished: A blog of the Phoenix Class War Council: Call for the Diné, O'odham, anarchist/anti-authoritarian bloc at the anti-Arpaio rallyJon Rileyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17299802548928505223noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5006663874099631371.post-14793295292417423732010-01-15T22:20:45.313-08:002010-01-15T22:20:45.313-08:00Two suggestions: on-going communication and acknow...Two suggestions: on-going communication and acknowledgment of the diversity of positions and goals within the movement. <br /><br />I can't speak on behalf of the PCWC, but from attending planning meetings with immigration reform organizations i can attest to a strong perception of the "anarchists" as being disruptive and threatening to the safety of marchers. i don't think there's truth to it, but a "hollow" concern still has the power to discourage cooperation. i think trying to maintain communication, even when the other party is unresponsive as the case may be, can do a lot to alleviate mistrust and fear. if organizations are made better aware of each others' plans they can prepare better and feel less threatened by the potential for conflict. <br /><br />The second suggestion, acknowledging diversity, really just echoes the point made in the original article. I think it can be well-argued that right now, many voices are being drowned out by a very moderate, reformist approach. By the same token i think it might be helpful to keep in mind that many of the marchers identify with this message. Any actions that impose a different message on their presence are equally disrespectful. One march can't possibly express the multitude of viewpoints embraced by this movement. My biggest hope is that more groups like this one can step up organizational efforts so that the plurality of ideas is better represented.Juicetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480101787481373629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5006663874099631371.post-80688876008466493112010-01-15T08:49:36.908-08:002010-01-15T08:49:36.908-08:00I would say more direct action is needed but it ha...I would say more direct action is needed but it has to be organize and well plan in order to be more effective and not harm us more than them.<br /><br />in terms of criticism made against the movement... evaluating our work and being open to constructive criticism is something we ALL have to practice. Keeping in mind that the state and authorities have used "shit talking" to incite division and inter conflict (like what happen with the black panthers)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375523202201835585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5006663874099631371.post-22882191073872307062010-01-14T21:54:44.456-08:002010-01-14T21:54:44.456-08:00Thanks for the comments. To Juiceton, I have two ...Thanks for the comments. To Juiceton, I have two responses. First, I would like you to address the problems in the movement. This must be done and it should happen right now -- first without excuses. Second, I can't see what in our history of action in town over the last ten years would make you think that we would put people unnecessarily at risk. Although, when you think about it, marching into the heart of the beast takes a certain amount of nerve for everyone involved. Still, if you're gonna have ten or twenty thousand people, your concern rings a bit hollow to me. I was part of two hundred thousand marching during the megamarchas (and when it was much smaller before that) as, I assume, were you. Who was arrested? If anyone is grabbed, it's first because of the cops (that's what they do) and second because the movement couldn't solve the problem in the first place as it is currently oriented. See ya there.Phoenix Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07312328294843841459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5006663874099631371.post-70773937621165320362010-01-14T18:47:59.316-08:002010-01-14T18:47:59.316-08:00In reference to conflict within the movement: what...In reference to conflict within the movement: what we can't afford is wasted energy, not when the force of repression is this massive. If we expect people outside the movement to listen we need to be humble and respectful of each other. <br /><br />You've touched on a lot of the problems with movement leadership being unresponsive and unwelcoming to critique. And while i wholeheartedly agree that asking for reform and not a deeper social critique is a massive compromise, i think it's important to consider the demographic of both last year's and next saturday's march. In both we have people without documentation and also families (including elders and very young kids). For these groups, an action like taking the street or haranguing the sheriff's department is a far bigger risk than it is to us, documented young people. <br /><br />Provocation and direct action are necessary, but there's a time and place when the potential blowback of these action won't make things worse for some of the people we're working with. I'm certain anyone on this board would gladly go to jail if it meant undermining a racist, exploitative government, but for some of your fellow-marchers jail isn't the end. Deportation and state-custody of children are real and immediate threats.<br /><br />While i urge everyone to take part and bring all of their ideas and energy to bear, please also be mindful of the risks we are all taking, some even greater than others.<br /><br />I'm excited to hear the discussion expanded and looking forward to seeing everyone on Saturday.Juicetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480101787481373629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5006663874099631371.post-43186671514329933912010-01-14T06:32:48.739-08:002010-01-14T06:32:48.739-08:00Rock on. I hope to see you all there.Rock on. I hope to see you all there.Humanleague002https://www.blogger.com/profile/06194441541569934409noreply@blogger.com