Saturday, October 15, 2011

The National Socialist Movement scum show up armed to counter protest #occupyphoenix



Today at the first mass general assembly of the #occupyphoenix movement, neo-Nazi members of the National Socialist Movement showed up, armed and in their "Arizona Border Guard" militia fatigues, to counter protest.  Sporting assault rifles, they posed flanked by dozens of cops.  Recognizing key NSM organizers in their midst, several people confronted them and set about informing the generally ignorant crowd that before them stood actual fascists, armed to the teeth.

Ignorant liberals behaved in a variety of idiotic ways.  Some contending that the Nazis were part of the 99% as well, if only confused.  Others were actually intrigued by the word "socialist".  "I kind of like socialism," one old lady said.  Other confused liberals mistook the fascists for soldiers, forgetting their self-assumed pledge of non-violence (which apparently exempts the military as well) and posing their children for a cool shot with the army guys.

One liberal pacifist came up to confront people speaking loudly about the Nazis, telling them that the protest was supposed to be non-violent and that by using loud language we were being "violent".  She made no such attempt to approach the Nazis, highlighting the deep contradictions and blindspots in the ideology of nonviolence as practiced by this movement, which so far has only deployed this ideology inwards to control participants rather than outwards towards the genuine threats.

This attitude towards the NSM scum played out, quite predictably, along racial lines, with whites being the only ones to express attitudes of tolerance towards them.  This points to the continuing importance of addressing racism and the continual appeal and relevance of racial privileges within the movement.  Indeed, we can expand this argument to the whole attitude of the bulk of the white movement towards the police.  Experiencing policing in quite different ways than people of color in general, white middle class liberals mistake their own experience for that of others, and routinely attack anyone who questions the alleged 99% status of the police, or points out their quite obvious  tendencies towards violent action, as violent themselves.  To question the violence of the police is to be violent, according to this backwards analysis.

The presence of an armed fascist street-level opposition to our movement, in the form of the National Socialist Movement and it's "Arizona Border Guard" front group, is one major reason to reject dogmatic pacifism and poorly thought-out nonviolence.  Instead, what we heard from protesters speaking during the general assembly were declarations of the most naive nonviolence imaginable.  Arizona is a right wing state and the forces of reaction are huge and easily overwhelming if they want to be.

#Occupyphoenix organizers should not kid themselves about their numbers or power.  This movement clearly has capability to attract large numbers, as evidenced by the several thousand that showed up today for the general assembly and will march later to set up camp at Margaret T. Hance park.  But we need to be honest about our political circumstances and the forces of reaction arrayed against us.  Today is a reminder for those who are paying attention.

When the fascists finally departed, one man in a motorized wheel chair came up to me to ask me who they were.  When I told him, a cheer went up from the crowd mocking the vacating Nazis.  He looked at me and said, "They're gone, but don't mistake their absence for the absence of fascists in general."  Standing behind him were the cops.  Another lesson the #occupyphoenix movement has yet to learn.

29 comments:

Harry L. Hughes III said...

Not one of those people in that photo is a member of the NSM.

SGT Harry L. Hughes III
NSM-AZ Executive Officer/Media Spokesman
NSM-MEDIA Associate Producer

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US Border Guard said...

The U.S. Border Guard deployed an urban combat trained security squad to the Occupy Phoenix rally today as armed peace keepers and legal observers. Border Rangers who patrol the border took a non-political stance to defend peaceful assembly and free speech of all citizens by exercising our right to keep and bear arms. Phoenix Police units were on scene also keeping the peace. Our founding fathers and founding mothers knew full well that the 2nd Amendment is what protects all our other amendments from tyranny. The U.S.B.G. protected the rights of all parties involved.

pr said...

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I was there and while I was being told those armed individuals were Nazi's (even if it so)-- the other's were disrespectful in regard to pointing them out and yelling names about them and their actions. They seemed very respectful to me. We are all in this world together and somehow we have to learn to get along regardless of our opinions, dogma and ideologies. I actually researched the web and found this blog. I had better not be "the old woman" you referenced above because you took what I said out of context. I addressed the head of this group that was the spokesman and he shared his ideas and beliefs about the right to bare arms and their position of a non-political presence at the event. They have a right to be there as well even if they are Nazis. You see everyone has a right to be there. While I find racism abominable I find the person that suffer's with this limited perception a true human being. Just as I find an anarchist, a communist, a Muslim, a Christian an atheist....true human beings. We all have to live on this planet together. Get it? Together. My best, pamela

Phoenix Insurgent said...

Harry, nicely -- and carefully -- worded denial. Fortunately, others have posted other photos confirming my assertion. And note that you do not deny the presence of NSM and "former" NSM members.

To the old woman, you have been duped. Look into the history and purposes of front groups. You need to dig deeper. Beyond that, go back and look at the photos of NSM rallies here in Phoenix over the last several years. You'll see the truth quickly enough.

To the guy who wants to live in peace with Nazis, good luck. I think we know where that practice goes. Nazis must be challenged and exposed wherever they pop up their ugly boneheads.

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JoeHill said...

Question for the U.S. Border Guard. What public or otherwise government body regulates your organization, and ensures that it is both properly trained, and that it follows proper procedures under the law? Or are you just a bunch of grown men playing soldier?

Also, I believe the so-called Harry L. Hughes III is actually one "Scott Hume". A cursory Google search would reveal that information.

I wonder what the police would have done had it been the "socialist" protesters carrying weapons.

Harry L. Hughes III said...

I am not Scott Hume. I believe there's plenty of photographic evidence via the Phoenix New Times to verify that beyond a doubt.

SGT Harry L. Hughes III
NSM-AZ Executive Officer/Media Spokesman
NSM-MEDIA Associate Producer

Evam lee said...

I'm married to one of the us boarder and very proud to be ..... I stand strong behind these guys who volunteer their time and put their life on the line to secure our boarders from human and drug smuglers. .. but to knock someone down for having their own beliefs is the racist... This country was founded on the freedom of speech and to be upset cause someone doesn't believe like you makes you a sheep not the percent that should be protesting....what makes this country great is that I can be and believe anything I want to... We don't judge people by the color of their skin but by their actions towards their fellow man!

Desert Tarantula said...

Joehill, the USBG is a 100% volunteer organization that is authorized not by any government agency but instead the US constitution. Read the 2nd amendment. Don't be so ignorant to the fact that not everything needs government permission or regulation to operate. That is what the liberals want you to believe. We are not a bunch of grown men playing soldiers, we are a bunch of grown men and women being American Patriots by doing a job that the US government refuses to do. Why don't you man up and join us? We are very welcoming to everybody who genuinely loves this country and doesn't want to see it fall to narcoterrorism and lawless criminals who flood across the US borders everyday.

JoeHill said...

Trantula, the 2nd Amendment clearly speaks of a "well-regulated" militia. So who regulates your militia? Also the 2nd Amendment's reference to militias makes far more sense in the late 18th century. Nowadays we have the National Guard, which is pretty well regulated. You are indeed running around and playing soldier, and it's going to get you killed one day because if you should ever run into a "narco-terrorist", they will waste your sorry asses.

And if ordinary workers running across the border is what upsets you, there is a VERY easy way to stop that. All it takes is a change in the visa laws which make it easier for Mexican citizens to cross the border legally, find work, and obtain work visas. Once this happens, you're going to see a big drop in the amount of illegal immigration, and that will also allow the REAL Border Patrol to focus on the drug and human traffickers.

JoeHill said...

Also for the wannabe Border Patrol, is there any objective third party which can show that you provide any sort of benefit to the country or state whatsoever?

On that note: "The U.S. Border Guard deployed an urban combat trained security squad to the Occupy Phoenix rally today as armed peace keepers and legal observers."

Question, were you ASKED to provide "peace keepers", and who can verify that you are trained for "urban security?"

@Harry Hughes, yes, if that photo is correct, you are not Scott Hume. You are also not a sergeant, you fucking wannabe.

Phoenix Insurgent said...

Everyone should note that Sgt. Schultz here has not denied either that NSM members or former members were in the group or that this project is a front group for white supremacists.

Evam lee said...

Us boarder guard is not a front for white racist group ....u guys are the racist for judging people cause of their beliefs.... I want freedom and ewuality as long as you believe like we do if not your rights and freedom don't matter! Gssh that's basically what your preaching ...you are a sheep and have no thought process of your own and because u can't think for yourself , you don't want others to think for yourself .... I'm half spanish and greek if these guys are white racist do u thinkI or myhusband would be married to each other? People hate what they don't understand, if you don't know something wikipedia that shit!

om/ar said...

"This attitude towards the NSM scum played out, quite predictably, along racial lines, with whites being the only ones to express attitudes of tolerance towards them. This points to the continuing importance of addressing racism and the continual appeal and relevance of racial privileges within the movement. Indeed, we can expand this argument to the whole attitude of the bulk of the white movement towards the police. Experiencing policing in quite different ways than people of color in general, white middle class liberals mistake their own experience for that of others, and routinely attack anyone who questions the alleged 99% status of the police, or points out their quite obvious tendencies towards violent action, as violent themselves."

This blanket statement points to the real need for diversity in these movements. In the Occupy in my city, I witnessed the disturbing image of a gang of white kids shouting down a pair of African American cops. The cops are obligated by their superiors to perform rounds, no cop here has even spoke a cruel word to demonstrators, let alone touched them--and we're talking about a very diverse group of people, some of which are quite obviously homeless. The image of young white kids heckling black cops left an indelible image in my mind about the Occupy, that has been difficult to shake no matter how many counter images I see.

This isn't just my view. Who targets police in their political discourse, is just as important as what that discourse is. People of color, who you rightly claim are at the greatest risk of police violence, do not have a monochrome view of the police, nor an unnuanced one.

Hermione H said...

Evam: I didn't take the time to read either of your two posts because I got distracted by your spelling of the word "border." It's "Border" not "Boarder." Those are two entirely different words. Also: what the heck were you trying to say here: "but to knock someone down for having their own beliefs is the racist..." Mistakes like these make it hard to take anything you write seriously.

Zombie Killer said...

I dont judge a man by the color of his skin I judge a man by his actions . I am not a nazi !!!! My state is on fire and we need to put it out and if I am passing buckets of water down the line am I not going to care what u are black panther a christain or jewish a cop and so on . Get over it . I am a American not a commie like most of u are .

Zombie Killer said...

I dont judge a man by the color of his skin I judge a man by his actions . I am not a nazi !!!! My state is on fire and we need to put it out and if I am passing buckets of water down the line am I not going to care what u are black panther a christain or jewish a cop and so on . Get over it . I am a American not a commie like most of u are .

DarkDee said...

evam lee obviously doesn't know the definition of racist. what is far closer to racism is to spend all your free time playing soldier to keep out people whose ethnic background is not like your own.

DarkDee said...

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t838808/


and how stupid do you have to be to say you are not affiliated with nsm or wn and then create a thread on sf?

SandduneBum said...

Did anyone actually get a quote of them saying they were there to counter-protest? if they were there to start things, I don't think they would have their backs to the crowd. I don't think any of them are bankers or in the top 1%, so I don't see why you are trying to create a problem where one doesn't exist. As for nit-picking the 2nd Amendment, if we start doing that, whats to stop the 1% from nit picking the 1st Amendment and making it even harder for protests?

Evam lee said...

Judging someone cause they don't believe like u is a form of prejudice.... I know what racism is and I have experience racism first and I experience prejudicism as well . The great thing about america is that we have that right to believe what the hell we want to and to be what we want whether its a doctor, a teacher, preacher, our a bum and I can believe in aliens, freemasonry, christianity, evolution, buddhism its my r ,ight and you don't have to like it and I'm ok with that and respect you for your thoughts beliefs and opinion.... So please respect your fellow american .

agnosticnixie said...

Yeah, we are all in this together and NO PLATFORM FOR FUCKING FASCISTS.

AngryAnarch said...

The piece of shit at the forefront of the pic is J.T. Ready....The fucking founder of the NSM.....It's absurd to say that none of them are who they are, especially when you can find that douche being interviewed on major networks, such as Al Jazeera english.

AngryAnarch said...

The piece of shit at the forefront of the pic is J.T. Ready, the founder of the NSM. It's a shitty cover up to state that he isn't who he is when the fuck's been interviewed on major news networks before.

Richard2 said...

The Nationalist Socialist protesting the Marxist Socialists. Boy does that does like history repeating...

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Reiver97 said...

Re Evam Lee's post of Oct 16,2011. Is she still "married to one of the us boarder and very proud to be"?

Or did he shoot her and her kids already?

Tom Hardy said...

Someone just needs to come in and talk all the bulk trash in Phoenix aka the Socialist movement and just move on.